I was DENIED...

Three Sisters
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I read the post 'Dad Gets The Boot From Mom's Group' and learned of the website meetup.com. I have never heard of this website and went to this site excited to look for a local SAHD group. I was not able to find a local group, but there were two SAHM groups. One stated that they were full and the other had openings. With three young daughters, I thought rather than reinventing the wheel and starting a SAHD local group, I would join the open SAHM group. I wrote to the controller asking permission to join and stating I had three daughters ages 5,3, and 1, and was looking to enrich their social skills, plus I was a SAHD.

Now fast forward two weeks. I received an email from meetup.com telling me my request was denied. The controller wrote; "It is great to see more stay at home dads however I do not think our group would be a good fit for you. Thank you and the best of luck."

I am pretty ticked off by this. Let me know what you think. Am I over reacting? Should I call the local paper or just shut up? Am I reading too much into this? And I am planning on reinventing the wheel now, I will start a SAHD group (and it will allow females to join).

Kevin




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You aren't over-reacting at all.

But many here will tell you you are. It's a lousy and unfounded double standard. Get pissed.

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JonMcP
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Not over-reacting

That sucks! And being pissed is a natural reaction- especially to this apparent double standard.

It's their right, however, to deny anyone that they want to. I suppose you could go to the paper, but that wouldn't get you in, and might make it more difficult for you in the future with other group members.

Check out ning.com- that's another social networking site similar to meetup. Perhaps you'll find more open minded groups there. I also think starting your own meetup group is a great idea- there could well be other guys out there in your community getting the same response. If you do end up starting a group make it an "involved parent's group" rather than SAHD/SAHM group- I think you'll get better hits that way, as well as meet up with folks interested in the quality of their children's interactions rather than someone to gossip with on the playground.

So, I agree with my esteemed colleague's advice above to "get pissed", but I would advise that you use that energy to do something constructive for you and your kids, rather than look like an asshole.



Albyonfloats
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Another vote for not over-reacting

I agree you should be pissed but if they advertised as a S@HM group you could reason there might be a reason for being so specific. It is BS and it is a double standard and there isn't much you can do about it. If you want to start your own group, it would probably be the best way for you to find what you are looking for. A group molded in your image and with your ideals of what makes for a good group would be less likely to do unto others what these broads did unto you. Talking about sexism always brings out the worst in me, go figure.

Just remember that you are a more evolved man and that while this sort of sexist crap might help those women feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside, so would a gasoline enema. These same women might never have wanted to have a career or understand why any woman would, so be glad the narrow minded perspective isn't being spread to your children.

It is said that, "anger is the energy for change," so go ahead and be pissed all you want, just use that energy to make your life better, not your head hurt wondering how people could be so foolish.

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ticktock
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I don't feel it's a double-standard at all for moms to prefer to hang out with other moms. I'm sure there are a lot of good and bad reasons for their decision, but they have a right to choose to accept or deny new members. Plus, you don't want to be a member of a group that doesn't want you. Do you?

I don't think you should complain to the local paper; it would make you look like a whiner. Men have had positions of power for thousands of years, and now they can't handle being accepted as primary caregivers by other mothers? The situation is laughable to anyone but ourselves. We are so oppressed! Nobody has sympathy for a white man (or any man) being excluded from a group, whether that be fair or not.

Just start a dads group; you can do it on this site, actually.

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brianc
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It is a double standard...

But getting pissed, (while is normal and I would be pissed too), will get you nowhere and will definitely not make you welcome in to any other groups, unless you use that energy in a positive way to right the ship both for your yourself and your daughters.

Just for shits and grins, maybe send the controller an email back and say something like,

"Thank you for your reply. While searching for social activities for my three daughters I ran across your SAHM group on MeetUp and thought it would be a good fit. As at-home parents we all share the same jobs and goals of raising healthy and happy children and supporting our spouses on the homefront. Would you please share with me your thoughts about allowing or denying at-home dads and their children into your (or any other) SAHM groups?"

Just sample copy. As an idea. Maybe not, but I wonder if she'd write back saying something like "It's just for mom's only" or "we are lesbian moms" or "we have jealous husbands who wouldn't understand" or "we attend Mars Hill Church" or who know's what, if she'd even reply at all.

But, if you don't ask, you'll never know, so WTF...why not?

OTherwise, JonMcP has some great advice, in my opinion.



Electriclime
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At least they came right out

At least they came right out and said no instead of letting you join and then giving you the cold shoulder.

I don't see limiting groups as a double standard. If they want a women only group that's fine; just the same as we might want to have an inclusive dads group. It's a problem if they advertise if as being for all parents and then change their minds later and start excluding people after the fact; that's just plain rude.

Do as the other guys said and think about starting your own group or looking for others to join. I hope you can find a good group for your daughters. Maybe check your local library since most have quite a few activities for kids. You may find some people there to get together with.

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JimD
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I like Brian's idea. . .

I'd be interested to hear what the group says, if they respond at all. Keep it straightforward and polite or just use Brian's copy. You have the right to be disappointed and angry, though. I would be. You could call the media, but you should also think about whether you want the potential publicity for you and your family.

I also think you should start your own group and keep it open to everyone. I've started an AHD group in Pasadena, CA and helped run a group in Chicago and it is a lot of fun. We used this site as a hub for both groups. If you just plan one playgroup a week and a monthly DNO/PNO it is not too much work. The first year may be a little lonely but you'll find some common-minded men and/or women.

Best of luck,
Jim



Electriclime
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Western Michigan SAHDs

Three Sisters, I see you're in Portage. There are some guys on this forum from that side of the state, Grand rapids, maybe Kalamazoo, etc. Sadly, I've way over on the east side; 30 north of Detroit.

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Three Sisters
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Thanks for the advice...

Thanks for the advice. I have been an at home dad for over five years now. And for that time I have learned to deal with the comments and looks I receive on a daily basis, but this denial was the straw that broke the camels back. I couldn't just let it roll off my back without saying anything. I did email the lady and I will keep you posted on what she says, if she says anything at all. At this point, if she does have a change in heart, I would not join her group because I know I am a better father than she is a mother. That may be a little harsh, but I've finally been hurt by another parent.

Thanks and I'll keep you posted.
Kevin



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